As the Israeli army faces severe personnel shortages, fatigue and desertion, and the political leadership focus on their survival, a top Israeli general predicts the end of Israel is near.
Your portrayal seems so unreal. The IDF used to call itself the strongest military in the world that has gotten billions in aid from the U.S., but they are losing against a group of terrorists in a population that has been physically and economically beaten down for decades? These poor IDF soldiers are so exhausted from the task of dropping bombs on innocent civilians? The IDF has destroyed almost all Palestinian infrastructure and killed over 35,000 Palestinians. Israel maintains its infrastructure and only lost less that 700 soldiers, and you say they are the ones that are "losing"? Doesn't make sense. What if the situation was reversed and Hamas had destroyed almost all Israel's infrastructure and killed over 35,000 Israelis, while Palestine maintained its infrastructure, kept getting billions in aid and only lost less that 700 soldiers, would you say the Palestinian were the ones losing the war?
Zoom out. Bigger picture, longer term. What has Israel accomplished? One side endures while the other isolates and destroys itself in a berserk rampage.
What I'm saying is the "destroys itself" part of that equation is hypothetical. Sure, the current government coalition of Israel may fail, but the government is not the nation. The nation has industry, commerce, infrastructure, a population and an army (however tired they are of bombing civilians). Israel also has enormous influence over the U.S. government to keep it afloat. "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." (attributed to Mark Twain)
What's more, Israel has successfully kept Palestine from developing its enormous gas and oil resources for decades. This hasn't been reported on by the corporate media, but you can look it up. Once Israel takes control of Gaza, they plan to claim those resources and become a major exporter of oil and gas.
Of course, they could be destroyed by a wider war. So could we.
All good points. But when these things happen they tend to happen quickly. I think the state of Israel as it exists now is over, on borrowed time. Despite all the US support they'll never recover from the reputational damage without fundamentally changing. The US support is fraying too. I think the Zionist expansionist settler adventure is over. The occupation is over. Israel will either accept internationally recognized borders and pursue peace with its neighbors or it will cease to exist eventually. Could all be wishful thinking on my part but it feels like something has irrevocably changed, the world can't unsee what it has seen, the genie can't go back in the bottle.
Remember the Vietcong with small arms was able to defeat a heavily armed and sophisticated American military. There was a horrendous loss of civilian life and the guerrillas suffered heavier losses than the Americans. However in the end the Americans had to leave. I don’t who said this but it does ring true - In asymmetrical warfare the guerrilla resistance only has to not lose and the occupying army must win.
And Iraq? And Afghanistan? America lost those wars but just packed its bags and left.. Israel can’t leave. Unless the Israelis go back to Europe, where they came from..
I would think that those Israelis that were prepared to live in a country where they don’t have exclusive rights, and a willingness to integrate with the other societies in the region, would be able to stay and carry on. Not saying the adjustment would not be difficult, but to me this is the only hope for Israelis who want to stay and live in Palestine. In terms of the fear that Palestinians are inherently anti-semitic and would exact bloody revenge if they got the upper hand, I would refer to when Max Blumenthal and Dan Cohen, two Jewish-American journalists who travelled to Gaza after the 2014 assault and actually interviewed members of the armed resistance without any fear for their safety. Also the ability of the Israeli journalist Amira Hass to live in the West Bank, not as a settler, but as part of the community, and carry on her profession without fear. Remember, before the advent of Zionism, Muslims, Christians and Jews lived in Palestine together.
Agree 100% and that’s their only viable option. Creating an ethno-centric state has not guaranteed Jewish safety.. Israel is the least safest for Jews anywhere in the world. The Jews that lived in Palestine (Palestinian Jews) could continue to live there but on condition of coexistence with Muslims and Christians. The rest can pack their bags and go back to Europe where they came from.
I've heard that some Israelis have already left. The smart ones! Really dumb to stay there, unless you are willing to integrate with Muslim and Christians. There's a lot of Christians being displaced in this region as well.
The U.S. was never meant to win the Vietnam war, case in point Soldiers were ordered to take a hill, which they accomplished with casualties, then they were ordered to retreat from the the same hill then later they were ordered to retake the hill which they did again with losses, then ordered to retreat once again. That is how it went and is why moral was so bad, the soldiers were not stupid, they figured, it out they were being used as fodder, and why so many began to use drugs. They realized they were fighting a war they were not meant to win, similar to the Ukrainians today. And for similar reasons. Mainly so certain people could enrich themselves. Remember Eisenhower's warning about beware of the military-industrial complex. Nothing has changed, like the bible says, THE LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
As per usual US MO, i also get the feeling that they want to concentrate on Russia and China. Russia they have dragged Nato into it and are hoping they will fight that battle alongside Ukraine. A war that cannot be won but they don’t care on wrecking allies lands. Been doing that forever. To be an ally of US is a death sentence as Kissinger famously stated. They don’t do diplomacy just aggression. That’s it. EU are total idiots for going into war with Russia. Never can be won. They will pay the price same as Ukraine where millions have already been lambs to the slaughter. Idiotic as. Scott Ritter is right tho as US won’t hesitate to use nuclear weapons. The only grace we have got is that the global south has seen this coming and that’s why BRICS was formed. And also the reason for their continuously not taking the bait by US empire. Starting to make sense now
Yep. War is won and lost in the Will. That “strongest military in the world was two generations ago and a great deal of that was deception. Israel and its citizens are decadent, blinded by hubris, demoralized by their own corruption and what they are doing in Gaza is eating away at them inside. Israelis are leaving the country for parts elsewhere, the Israeli economy is struggling and after Gaza the country will never again know peace. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch.
In real terms, expensive PR does not make them the "strongest military in the world", because they say so. Hamas is a resistance movement of indigenous people, not "a group of terrorist" as you say. No amount of organised violence (except genocide) can stop such a movement deeply rooted in the liberation of its people and land. Israel is now regarded as a rogue pariah loser state, and has set a new low for crimes against humanity. History is going to be brutal.
Anton, You're right that their PR isn't true. You're also right that the Palestinians are not terrorists, they are the ones being terrorized. I think the point I was making about the disparity in their military strength is valid, but the way I did it was pretty sloppy. Thanks for your corrections.
As for what can stop the Palestinian resistance movement, I agree that genocide could stop it and I think that is what is happening.
A country built on a foundation massacres including during the British mandate has only one direction,violence. Live by the sword and die by the sword comes to mind. Again, innocents on both sides suffer.
Your view of the geopolitical situation is completely inaccurate. This strategic patience has been the strategy of the Resistance Axis including Hamas from the start. So far, it appears to be a winning strategy to wait for Israel to exhaust and destroy itself and whatever is left of its own reputation as a pariah state. I refer you to Alastair Crooke's synopsis:
"The Iranian and Resistance Axis’ interest is twofold: First, to retain power to carefully calibrate the intensity of conflict – upping and lowering as appropriate; and secondly, to keep escalatory dominance as much as possible in their hands.
The second aspect encompasses strategic patience. The Resistance Movements well understand the Israeli psyche – therefore, NO Pavlovian reflexes to Israeli provocations are accepted. But rather, to wait and rely on Israel to provide the pretext to any further step up the escalatory ladder. Israel must be seen to be the instigator for escalation – and the resistance merely the responder. The ‘eye’ must be on the Washington political psyche.
Thirdly, Iran draws confidence to pursue its ‘forwardness’ by having innovated a tectonic shift in asymmetric warfare, and in deterrence against Israel and the West. The U.S. might huff and puff, but Iran felt assured throughout this period that the U.S. well knows the risks associated with trying ‘blow the house down’.
Realists in the West tend to believe that ‘power’ is a simple function of national population size and GDP. So that, given the disparity in air and firepower, no way, as an example, can Hizbullah expect to ‘come out quits’ against Israel – a much richer and more populated entity.
This blindspot is the Resistance’s silent ‘ally’. It prevents the West (mostly) from understanding this pivot in military thinking.
Iran and its allies take a different view: They regard a state’s power to rest on intangibles, rather than literal tangibles: strategic patience; ideology; discipline; innovation and the concept of military leadership defined as the ability to cast a ‘magic’ spell over men so that they would follow their commander, even unto death.
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The Resistance’s underlying strategy is clear: the West is over-invested in its air dominance and in its overwhelming fire-power. It prioritises quick shock and awe thrusts, but usually quickly exhausts itself early in the encounter. They rarely can sustain such high-intensity assault for long.
In Lebanon in 2006, Hizbullah remained deep underground whilst the Israeli air assault swept overhead. The physical surface damage was huge, yet their forces were unaffected and emerged only afterwards. Then came the 33 days of Hizbullah’s missile barrage – until Israel called it quits. This patience represents the first pillar of strategy.
The second therefore, is that whereas the West has short endurance, the opposition is trained and prepared for long attritional conflict – missile and rocket barrage to the point that civil society can sustain the impact no longer. War’s aim not necessarily has killing the enemy soldiers as a prime objective; rather it is exhaustion and inculcating a sense of defeat."
It seems that Alastair Crooke is not aware that Netanyahu promoted and funded Hamas from their very beginning, to split the Palestinians (from the PLO) in order to prevent a two state solution. See:
Ami Ayalon, former director of Shin Bet, Israel supported Hamas to avoid a Two-state solution.
Hamas was controlled opposition, paid for and controlled by the Mossad. I have seen several IDF soldiers stating on camera that it would have been impossible for Hamas to have breached the security wall and attacked inside Israel for hours unless Israel allowed it to happen. For some reason, only one seems to still be available:
It's hard to say who in the Hamas leadership knew who was giving the orders. However, Netanyahu gave the order for Hamas to attack in order to give Israel the excuse it needed to completely drive out and/or kill all the Palestinians from Gaza. See:
Turning against the Establishment's own controlled opposition is not new. Everybody knows that Bin Laden was a CIA asset. Perhaps less well known is that so were Saddam Hussein
No one is working in Israel. The cattle are not being milked and their excrement is piling up. Nearly 100,000 Palestinians in the West Bank are no longer working at the base level of production. Being a private equity firm is not feeding their country. Kushner and his Abraham’s Accord— a pile of manure. Israel is very good at propaganda but the cell phone is a witness and satellite imagery is real. Is it your wish that 3 million people are slaughtered by Israeli government? How? Did Smoltrich and Ben Gvir ever serve? They are illegal settlers. They are the undoing of Israel. Who feels safe and happy in the Fertile Crescent? .
There are several other countries in the Middle East with multiple religions represented in government and media, and all the others do not even have apartheid laws and are not states guilty of the crime of apartheid, either (per the legal definition provided in the Rome Statute of 2002, as apartheid is not an opinion, but a crime clearly defined like murder).
Please watch and hear the 4/12/2024 speech that Yanis Varoufakis would have given In Berlin yesterday if the police had not came in and busted the event 1930's style. One big point he made (for me) is that revenge is not victory. What will the Palestinians do, if/when the Israeli military fails, the Israeli population that is 95% in support of the governments policies. Will a Palestinian "victory" become what the Israeli's have done to them? https://youtu.be/9JXXBhruGhc?si=wfwrCrVVDsXrxLwo
The ones living on the Arabian peninsula with direct access to Iranian funds are doing ok. The ones who fled to Rafah, but are now fleeing Rafah, not so much.
Any and all warfare that turns into a war of attrition has a far greater potential to defeat the aggressor who started the war. The era of 100 years of war ended a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away from here!
Do you really think they’ll last another 75 years?? Being a perpetual warring nation just makes you more enemies.. that suggests low viability. It will crumble inevitably.
Yes. I believe that one day the Islamists will give up their fantasy of a worldwide caliphate free of Jews and Christians. Just like the Germans gave up their dreams of a thousand year Reich, and the Southern States gave up their dream that it was OK to own slaves.
It is up to each of us to not support the Islamists implicitly and explicitly so that day comes sooner and with less bloodshed.
So why are we talking about the Islamists and their caliphate again?? You realise this isn’t a post about ISIS.. rather it’s about the Palestinians whose land has been occupied by Europeans.. very much a secular worldly affair, nothing to do with the spiritual realm or the edicts of the Quran.. but let’s switch topics just to humor you.. if your belief is that one day the Islamists will give up their caliphate dreams then you will agree that the Jews of Zion will give up their Yahweh promised land dreams (their version of the caliphate) and abandon the fantasy that the Israelites are a biblical people with certain border aspirations (& while they’re at it, remove that Star of David, a religious symbol, off their fucking flag and that smirk off their face for being a chosen people by some sadistic god ..). I seriously hope that you’re not confusing Hamas with the caliphate of ISIS.. because then you couldn’t be that stupid (or could you?!)
Islamists are Islamists. They have the same goal - the establishment of a worldwide caliphate free of Jews and Christians. To pretend otherwise is either ignorant or dishonest.
Wait right here. I will let my father, who was born in Jerusalem in 1932 and is the tenth generation born in the land of Israel/Palestine/Judea that he is a "white Europea" because [checks notes] Diana Lehman says so.
I will let him know that Diana Lehman informs that being Jewish means we have no indigenous homeland and so it is therefore OK, apparently, for her to support Hamas, an eliminationist death cult who intends to murder every jew (even as she pretends they do not so intend - wink, wink)
[Sorry @diana. Not sure about the next part -- Are you one of the "Jesus was a Palestinian " morons, or one of the "all the jews come from a secret underground lab 18 miles west of Warsaw Poland" morons.]
Anyway. I told him what you said. He said to tell you that you should learn facts before speaking such nonsense. He is polite that way.
Me, I would have just told you to get bent you stupid ignorant can't.
So, if you can’t defend your position with fact based logic, why not rely on gutter logic (hence, the ‘can’t’ comment)? That seems to be the way of the feeble-minded zionazis like yourself..
Your father was a Palestinian jew. Let me draw your attention to the fact that your father would have been neighbours with Muslim and Christian jews whose ancestry dates back generations so as well. There were also Iraqi jews, Moroccan jews, etc.. you get my drift. You call them mizrahi jews and they were a minority in Palestine. They would have spoken Arabic. The Jews that came to Palestine after Europe gassed and toasted them were European/ashkenazi jews and spoke not a word of the local native language of Palestine. These are indisputable facts.
Now, if you’re going to throw in the biblical chosen people argument well, then I’m going to declare I’m Super Woman on the spot as decreed by the fairy at the bottom of my garden.. point is anyone can anoint themselves masters of the universe and expect preferential treatment.. and many have tried and we hear about them in history books..
As for your gross misunderstanding of Islamism vis-a-vis Hamas (& you throw in the caliphate for good measure..) Hamas are not an expansionist movement that wants to spread Islam. ISIS is.. how you can confuse the two is mind boggling but that’s what brainwashing in the cult of Zion does to ya.. you are given zionazi kool aide to drink instead of your mother’s milk and then you’re off to fanaticism! Hamas is a resistance force against the Zionists who are bloodthirsty occupiers and land thieves. You lot didn’t treat the PLO which was a secular movement and had nothing to do with Islam any better.. so don’t spout BS that it’s a big bad Islamist plot.. really, such a boring and lazy argument that no one outside of zionistan believes.. even your ‘supporters’ have to be bought with money. The Christian nut cases who believe in end times and that jews will ultimately be slaughtered for them to win are a different category that you’ve gone to bed with (but you figure when it’s time for them to slaughter us en masse.. well, we’ll cross that bridge when we get to it..). So you have two groups of people that ‘believe’ in your cause: mercenaries that have to be bribed and nut cases who ultimately want to slaughter you lot and both tried to wipe you off the face of the earth at different points in time. Great bed fellows! What a dream team!
All you’ve proven, ymg, is that you are an ethno-supremacist douchebag that is merely following the Nazi way of doing things.. and who doesn’t understand basic facts. Incidentally, how does it feel to be reviled and rejected as a Zionist by most people of the world?? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have the Americans on your side and the Germans (you can count on them to be in on any genocidal action..) as well as some European countries but most people of the world (including jews) despise you lot. Is that why you’re frothing at the mouth? Do you really think you’ll last another 80 years?? And I don’t give a sh$* what Yahweh says..
If you spoke Hebrew. If you spoke Arabic. If your sum total of knowledge didn't come from tik tok, then you would know that all you have just written is incorrect and incomplete -- almost hilariously so.
My argument is simple. I am indigenous to this land. My family has literally been here for hundreds of years. You do not get to tell me where I can and cannot live. My life does not need or accept your grudging permission or blessing. You do not get to fit me into your little racial white guilt passion play where me and mine bear the burden of your ennui and (a)moral posturing, while you pay no price of your own. God save the Palestinians from friends like you. They suffer too from you.
I am for a two state solution - two states for two indigenous people. And yes, that includes all Jews. [Or is there a time limit when, let's say, all the native americans have to all leave the USA because they have lost all their indigenous rights? Tell me the number of years so I can let my Mohawk friends know the deadline.] I refuse to leave or die just to fit your perverted sense of justice or Hamas' Islamist religious imperative.
One day I hope Hamas gives up their fantasy that they can rid the world of jews. I hope one day you stop supporting Hamas (and lying to yourself and others to try to justify that support).
Until then, I and my family will be right here in the land of Israel like always. Am Yisrael Chai.
Reasonable people must make reasonable decisions that help as many people as possible and hurt as few people as possible, or spread the hurt around to do as little long term damage as possible. Reasonable people must reject fundamentalism of all varieties, religious, political, social, economic, any “ism” that justifies hoarding resources by one “group” at the expense of other “groups”, or dehumanizing some groups and glorifying others, because, as we see with fundamentalist religious persecution(Islamicist calls for “Kill all the Jews, and Christians, and Buddhists) or fundamentalist political persecution (Fascism or Communism in all it’s forms), or fundamentalist social persecution (the caste system in India), or fundamentalist economic persecution (slavery as it still exists) the dehumanization of some people for the benefit of some others, makes us all complicit and less human than we could be.
75 years later, it is a Jewish theocratic ethnostate on the verge of collapse. States take some time to come undone, and you speak only of your own shortsightedness and inability to think in the longer term. I suppose not everyone is cognitively capable of future-oriented thinking, however; thus the Israeli state's unravelling by way of strategic patience on the part of the Resistance Axis.
Hilarious, you say you oppose theocracy and support Hamas, an Islamist death cult. You say you oppose ethnostates -- how many jews in Hamastan [nice try, but hostages don't count]? You do know that Hamas' goal is a worldwide caliphate free of Jews and Christians - or are you so pig ignorant that you had no idea?
Tell me, why would you leave the Palestinians under the thumb of Hamas, when you would not live under Hamastan rules for a second? Good enough for brown people but not white girl Emma M, perhaps? Disgusting.
Free Palestine from Hamas.
Finally, spare me the freshman dormroom posturing and history lessons that are actually ahistorical. My family has been here in Israel/Palestine/Judea for over 10 generations. I know exactly what I am talking about. You on the other hand, are not from here and know nothing real.
You pretend to know history. If you did, you would know the Jewish people have survived far worse than you and your empty moral preening and utter ignorance. Prepare to be disappointed as Israel survives and prospers. Perhaps you can fill your empty life with a hobby that does not involve the death and displacement of 7 million jews and two million Muslims and Christians. Perhaps bowling.
Or, they could put Netanyahu in jail where he belongs, elect a moderate Israeli government, with no criminals in control, demand a collaborative meeting with all factions of the Palestinian populace and develop a realistic plan for Palestinian self-determination where reasonable Palestinian governance results in the prosecution of terrorists who call for killing all Jews, and Israelis and Palestinians work together to rebuild their country. Couldn’t they? People have to stop letting outside money bully them into voting criminals and terrorists into positions of leadership. By definition criminals and terrorists are incapable of the competent, flexible decision making that results in good governance.
The ideology of Israel is criminal, thus its leadership has always been criminals of varying degrees, but criminals nonetheless. When only 2% of the population thinks Israel has gone too far in Gaza, then the logical conclusion one can reach is its citizens will not elect a moderate government.
Hmm. My impression is far more than 2% think Netanyahu has gone too far. But your basic premise is not one I have seen. What ideology of Israel is criminal? I agree that the land grabbing of those hard right entitled settler groups is criminal, but most Israelis don’t agree with that. But Israel is a more pluralistic society than that To what do you refer?
But how many Israelis are those hardline Zionists? Seems sorta like saying Americans are Christian Nationalists because a few loudly are, and some more go along with that ideology, but not the whole country is, you know? The Israelis I know, think the Palestinians are treated horribly, but are too busy with their own lives and problems, to be really politically active about it. Which is always a problem in democracies-people can’t be bothered to oppose highly engaged fringe elements until the fringe element starts causing trouble for everyone.
by most recent analyses I've seen, most of them. I've been listening to the few Israeli leftist analysts and historians and they seem to universally agree that the Israeli idea of 'moderate' is not the same as ours. Their idea of 'moderate' is Israelis maintain all the privileges they have, Palestinians stay in their little jail, but they get treated a little nicer and maybe fewer kids die each year of sniper bullets to the head. That's the 'moderate Israeli'. They largely accept the fact that Palestinians lead a sad existence but are quick to juxtapose that realization with the 'But sadly, their leadership is violent and so there is objectively no other way for them to live because we have to make sure we are safe from them'. And that's the end of the debate. The situation is lamentable but inevitable, and after all, one's own safety must come first. These people have never, and will never, elect anyone who would fight for actual equality. Sadly.
When did stating facts become slanderous? Have you been living under a rock the last 8 months? The Zionist dehumanization of Palestinians is clear as day for anyone who has eyes. You can deny it till the cows come home, but it won’t change what we have witnessed with our own eyes.
Your second question is so absurd, it exposes your indoctrination. If you’re not familiar with Avi Shlaim, kindly look him up. Jews live in peace all across the muslim world. In fact historically Jews were saved by Muslim Moors in Spain. And the unsuspecting Muslims of Palestine gave safe haven to Jews who escaped European antisemitism. Little did they know it was actually Zionists who were infiltrating. It’s Zionists who are despised, for their ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. To be clear, Zionists are not Jews. Zionists have hijacked Judaism - not my words - I’m citing Jewish Rabbi’s. Zionism is white supremacy. Just ask the Arab Jews in Israel - even they are second class citizens in the “only democracy in the Middle East”.
I refer to a poll conducted by Tel Aviv University; it was in Dec/Jan. I understand a lot worse has happened since but 2% even back then reflects very poorly on Israelis.
As opposed to Gaza, which is governed by the terrorist group Hamas, who serves at the beck and call of the fascist Iranian theocrats. You Antifa-bois as sad.
A government without criminals in control? That will only happen when Christ returns to rule the world. If there is one thing we should have all learned by now is that ALL human beings (including me) have a sinful (Selfish) nature and the MOST SELFISH among us, the LOVERS OF MONEY, run the world's governments. As long as we are under the current electoral system in which the very rich donors (who are obviously lovers of money) decide who is going to be elected, our politicians will also who be lovers of money and therefore criminals who will serve their masters and not the people.. I certainly AM NOT saying humanity is not redeemable, otherwise Christ's sacrifice was for nothing. Yes there a few people whose relationship with Christ is so close that they are truly a blessing to those they come into contact with. And I don't claim to be one of them, but I do know that is where I need to be.
Please expand your view. Say that from a Hindu point of view. Or Buddhist. Now distill it down to the human point of view without the parochial mono-theistic limitations on who you are talking about, and for. That’s the whole point of democracy, isn’t it? Elect honest people who have the welfare of everyone at heart? Don’t elect criminals? If we notice someone is a criminal, un-elect them and choose someone better. Most people are mostly good, and occasionally do something bad. This “all sinners, all the time” schtick obscures Christ’s message of love and lets bad people justify their behavior by pretending “everyone does it”. If you identify as a sinner, I suggest therapy.
The lack of confidence in a military career will include fear as a reason, but it's my hope that a second is because some no longer believer they're killing for morality.
Please watch and hear the 4/12/2024 speech that Yanis Varoufakis would have given In Berlin yesterday if the police had not came in and busted the event 1930's style. One big point he made for me is that revenge is not victory. What will the Palestinians do, if/when the Israeli military fails, to the Israeli population that is 95% in support of the governments policies. Will a Palestian "victory" become what the Israeli's have done to them? https://youtu.be/9JXXBhruGhc?si=wfwrCrVVDsXrxLwo
Is it possible that while there are certainly psychotic IDF, there also may be men and women who see what they are doing as wrong and are just sickened by it?
If I were Iran I would just sit back and wait (like China is doing with Russia), then take ground when the opponent is exhausted. US has made such an unbelievable blunder supporting Netanyahu.
You stated that Iran is just sitting back as an outside observer to Hamas, forgetting that 90% of the funding, weapons and training to Hamas and Hezbollah comes from Iran. The IRGC is actively involved to coordinating their proxy group. So yes, eliminating Hamas directly impacts Iran’s ability to fight Israel. Can you condemn Iran as a fascist terrorist supporting country.
Apologies for my lack of clarity. It is very clear that Iran is a crisis agent, and that they are seeking regional advantage both through proxy fighting and likely more direct action in the future should Israel be weakened per this article.
My primary point was the Israel bit way too hard on the trap this time. Hamas knew that they were losing the long game, as the settlers were going to continue to eat territory and displace them, and the Palestinians had no world standing. They also knew that Netanyahu was deeply compromised and would almost certainly wildly overreact to a provocation, both because it was in his nature and because he knows that his criminal past gets erased if he is seen as the unifier of Israeli territory.
What he did not calculate (hubris) is that the wildly cruel overreaction would shift world opinion away from Israel, and that he might not get away with it. I think Hamas made a bet on this.
Either he is going to successfully eliminate the Palestinian people through murder and displacement (and potentially the Lebanese) or Israel is going to be in a world of hurt. They never really had any options for maintaining a theocracy that weren't effectively death.
I also believe that Hamas knew that they would have media and UN sympathy once they decided to hide behind civilians, and detain hostages in the residence of an Al-Jazeera journalist. UNRWA was conducting terrorist activities from their headquarters in Gaza. Hamas took 250 hostages on Oct 7, and Israel has every right to rescue them. The question is - why has the coward Biden refused to do anything to secure the release of the 5 American hostages?
Your portrayal seems so unreal. The IDF used to call itself the strongest military in the world that has gotten billions in aid from the U.S., but they are losing against a group of terrorists in a population that has been physically and economically beaten down for decades? These poor IDF soldiers are so exhausted from the task of dropping bombs on innocent civilians? The IDF has destroyed almost all Palestinian infrastructure and killed over 35,000 Palestinians. Israel maintains its infrastructure and only lost less that 700 soldiers, and you say they are the ones that are "losing"? Doesn't make sense. What if the situation was reversed and Hamas had destroyed almost all Israel's infrastructure and killed over 35,000 Israelis, while Palestine maintained its infrastructure, kept getting billions in aid and only lost less that 700 soldiers, would you say the Palestinian were the ones losing the war?
Zoom out. Bigger picture, longer term. What has Israel accomplished? One side endures while the other isolates and destroys itself in a berserk rampage.
What I'm saying is the "destroys itself" part of that equation is hypothetical. Sure, the current government coalition of Israel may fail, but the government is not the nation. The nation has industry, commerce, infrastructure, a population and an army (however tired they are of bombing civilians). Israel also has enormous influence over the U.S. government to keep it afloat. "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." (attributed to Mark Twain)
What's more, Israel has successfully kept Palestine from developing its enormous gas and oil resources for decades. This hasn't been reported on by the corporate media, but you can look it up. Once Israel takes control of Gaza, they plan to claim those resources and become a major exporter of oil and gas.
Of course, they could be destroyed by a wider war. So could we.
All good points. But when these things happen they tend to happen quickly. I think the state of Israel as it exists now is over, on borrowed time. Despite all the US support they'll never recover from the reputational damage without fundamentally changing. The US support is fraying too. I think the Zionist expansionist settler adventure is over. The occupation is over. Israel will either accept internationally recognized borders and pursue peace with its neighbors or it will cease to exist eventually. Could all be wishful thinking on my part but it feels like something has irrevocably changed, the world can't unsee what it has seen, the genie can't go back in the bottle.
I'm hoping China strolls in and builds a 30km waterfront in 6 months. It would be worse for Israel if they decided to bomb the new buildings.
Remember the Vietcong with small arms was able to defeat a heavily armed and sophisticated American military. There was a horrendous loss of civilian life and the guerrillas suffered heavier losses than the Americans. However in the end the Americans had to leave. I don’t who said this but it does ring true - In asymmetrical warfare the guerrilla resistance only has to not lose and the occupying army must win.
And Iraq? And Afghanistan? America lost those wars but just packed its bags and left.. Israel can’t leave. Unless the Israelis go back to Europe, where they came from..
I would think that those Israelis that were prepared to live in a country where they don’t have exclusive rights, and a willingness to integrate with the other societies in the region, would be able to stay and carry on. Not saying the adjustment would not be difficult, but to me this is the only hope for Israelis who want to stay and live in Palestine. In terms of the fear that Palestinians are inherently anti-semitic and would exact bloody revenge if they got the upper hand, I would refer to when Max Blumenthal and Dan Cohen, two Jewish-American journalists who travelled to Gaza after the 2014 assault and actually interviewed members of the armed resistance without any fear for their safety. Also the ability of the Israeli journalist Amira Hass to live in the West Bank, not as a settler, but as part of the community, and carry on her profession without fear. Remember, before the advent of Zionism, Muslims, Christians and Jews lived in Palestine together.
Agree 100% and that’s their only viable option. Creating an ethno-centric state has not guaranteed Jewish safety.. Israel is the least safest for Jews anywhere in the world. The Jews that lived in Palestine (Palestinian Jews) could continue to live there but on condition of coexistence with Muslims and Christians. The rest can pack their bags and go back to Europe where they came from.
Nearly 800,000 could go home tomorrow, they are the illegal squatters
I've heard that some Israelis have already left. The smart ones! Really dumb to stay there, unless you are willing to integrate with Muslim and Christians. There's a lot of Christians being displaced in this region as well.
The U.S. was never meant to win the Vietnam war, case in point Soldiers were ordered to take a hill, which they accomplished with casualties, then they were ordered to retreat from the the same hill then later they were ordered to retake the hill which they did again with losses, then ordered to retreat once again. That is how it went and is why moral was so bad, the soldiers were not stupid, they figured, it out they were being used as fodder, and why so many began to use drugs. They realized they were fighting a war they were not meant to win, similar to the Ukrainians today. And for similar reasons. Mainly so certain people could enrich themselves. Remember Eisenhower's warning about beware of the military-industrial complex. Nothing has changed, like the bible says, THE LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
This attack is to get that oil and gas, they don't care about the Palestinians they slaughter
As per usual US MO, i also get the feeling that they want to concentrate on Russia and China. Russia they have dragged Nato into it and are hoping they will fight that battle alongside Ukraine. A war that cannot be won but they don’t care on wrecking allies lands. Been doing that forever. To be an ally of US is a death sentence as Kissinger famously stated. They don’t do diplomacy just aggression. That’s it. EU are total idiots for going into war with Russia. Never can be won. They will pay the price same as Ukraine where millions have already been lambs to the slaughter. Idiotic as. Scott Ritter is right tho as US won’t hesitate to use nuclear weapons. The only grace we have got is that the global south has seen this coming and that’s why BRICS was formed. And also the reason for their continuously not taking the bait by US empire. Starting to make sense now
Yep. War is won and lost in the Will. That “strongest military in the world was two generations ago and a great deal of that was deception. Israel and its citizens are decadent, blinded by hubris, demoralized by their own corruption and what they are doing in Gaza is eating away at them inside. Israelis are leaving the country for parts elsewhere, the Israeli economy is struggling and after Gaza the country will never again know peace. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch.
In real terms, expensive PR does not make them the "strongest military in the world", because they say so. Hamas is a resistance movement of indigenous people, not "a group of terrorist" as you say. No amount of organised violence (except genocide) can stop such a movement deeply rooted in the liberation of its people and land. Israel is now regarded as a rogue pariah loser state, and has set a new low for crimes against humanity. History is going to be brutal.
Anton, You're right that their PR isn't true. You're also right that the Palestinians are not terrorists, they are the ones being terrorized. I think the point I was making about the disparity in their military strength is valid, but the way I did it was pretty sloppy. Thanks for your corrections.
As for what can stop the Palestinian resistance movement, I agree that genocide could stop it and I think that is what is happening.
A country built on a foundation massacres including during the British mandate has only one direction,violence. Live by the sword and die by the sword comes to mind. Again, innocents on both sides suffer.
Your view of the geopolitical situation is completely inaccurate. This strategic patience has been the strategy of the Resistance Axis including Hamas from the start. So far, it appears to be a winning strategy to wait for Israel to exhaust and destroy itself and whatever is left of its own reputation as a pariah state. I refer you to Alastair Crooke's synopsis:
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/03/18/resistances-disruptive-military-innovation-may-determine-fate-israel/
Key excerpts:
"The Iranian and Resistance Axis’ interest is twofold: First, to retain power to carefully calibrate the intensity of conflict – upping and lowering as appropriate; and secondly, to keep escalatory dominance as much as possible in their hands.
The second aspect encompasses strategic patience. The Resistance Movements well understand the Israeli psyche – therefore, NO Pavlovian reflexes to Israeli provocations are accepted. But rather, to wait and rely on Israel to provide the pretext to any further step up the escalatory ladder. Israel must be seen to be the instigator for escalation – and the resistance merely the responder. The ‘eye’ must be on the Washington political psyche.
Thirdly, Iran draws confidence to pursue its ‘forwardness’ by having innovated a tectonic shift in asymmetric warfare, and in deterrence against Israel and the West. The U.S. might huff and puff, but Iran felt assured throughout this period that the U.S. well knows the risks associated with trying ‘blow the house down’.
Realists in the West tend to believe that ‘power’ is a simple function of national population size and GDP. So that, given the disparity in air and firepower, no way, as an example, can Hizbullah expect to ‘come out quits’ against Israel – a much richer and more populated entity.
This blindspot is the Resistance’s silent ‘ally’. It prevents the West (mostly) from understanding this pivot in military thinking.
Iran and its allies take a different view: They regard a state’s power to rest on intangibles, rather than literal tangibles: strategic patience; ideology; discipline; innovation and the concept of military leadership defined as the ability to cast a ‘magic’ spell over men so that they would follow their commander, even unto death.
[...]
The Resistance’s underlying strategy is clear: the West is over-invested in its air dominance and in its overwhelming fire-power. It prioritises quick shock and awe thrusts, but usually quickly exhausts itself early in the encounter. They rarely can sustain such high-intensity assault for long.
In Lebanon in 2006, Hizbullah remained deep underground whilst the Israeli air assault swept overhead. The physical surface damage was huge, yet their forces were unaffected and emerged only afterwards. Then came the 33 days of Hizbullah’s missile barrage – until Israel called it quits. This patience represents the first pillar of strategy.
The second therefore, is that whereas the West has short endurance, the opposition is trained and prepared for long attritional conflict – missile and rocket barrage to the point that civil society can sustain the impact no longer. War’s aim not necessarily has killing the enemy soldiers as a prime objective; rather it is exhaustion and inculcating a sense of defeat."
Emma,
It seems that Alastair Crooke is not aware that Netanyahu promoted and funded Hamas from their very beginning, to split the Palestinians (from the PLO) in order to prevent a two state solution. See:
Ami Ayalon, former director of Shin Bet, Israel supported Hamas to avoid a Two-state solution.
https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/12/11/israeli-hamas-war-intelligence-strategy-and-day-after-event-8208 and
Business Insider "Israel drove suitcases stuffed with cash into Gaza to keep Hamas in power: NYT" https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-security-forces-escorted-suitcases-cash-hamas-qatar-report-2023-12 and
Israel: Netanyahu sent Mossad head, general to Qatar, ‘begged’ it to pay Hamas https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-top-general-visited-qatar-begged-it-to-pay-hamas-liberman-says/
Hamas was controlled opposition, paid for and controlled by the Mossad. I have seen several IDF soldiers stating on camera that it would have been impossible for Hamas to have breached the security wall and attacked inside Israel for hours unless Israel allowed it to happen. For some reason, only one seems to still be available:
IDF Soldier says Oct 7th Inside job https://odysee.com/@ConspiraciesFromCatholicPerpective:2/HB_IDF-Soldier-Oct-7th-Inside-job:9 Also see:
Oct 7 Hamas Attack on Israel was 100% an Inside Job. Here Is the Proof 22-33 https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/oct-7-hamas-attack-on-israel-was-100-an-inside-job-here-is-the-proof/ and
Entire manual for Hamas invasion obtained by Israeli intelligence officer BEFORE invasion; ignored by her superiors https://frontline.news/post/entire-manual-for-hamas-invasion-obtained-by-israeli-intelligence-officer-before-invasion-ignored-by-her-superiors
It's hard to say who in the Hamas leadership knew who was giving the orders. However, Netanyahu gave the order for Hamas to attack in order to give Israel the excuse it needed to completely drive out and/or kill all the Palestinians from Gaza. See:
Leaked Document Shows Israeli Govt 'Option' To Ethnically Cleanse Gaza https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/leaked-document-shows-israeli-govt-option-ethnically-cleanse-gaza
Turning against the Establishment's own controlled opposition is not new. Everybody knows that Bin Laden was a CIA asset. Perhaps less well known is that so were Saddam Hussein
https://archive.globalpolicy.org/iraq-conflict-the-historical-background-/us-and-british-support-for-huss-regime.html
and Manuel Noriega https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN18Q0NW/
both of them killed when they were no longer useful.
No one is working in Israel. The cattle are not being milked and their excrement is piling up. Nearly 100,000 Palestinians in the West Bank are no longer working at the base level of production. Being a private equity firm is not feeding their country. Kushner and his Abraham’s Accord— a pile of manure. Israel is very good at propaganda but the cell phone is a witness and satellite imagery is real. Is it your wish that 3 million people are slaughtered by Israeli government? How? Did Smoltrich and Ben Gvir ever serve? They are illegal settlers. They are the undoing of Israel. Who feels safe and happy in the Fertile Crescent? .
If Israelis set down their weapons, that’s exactly what would happen. Don’t cry because they’re miserably losing a war that they started.
Israel has just celebrated it's FINAL Independence Day last month. There won't be another one!
The State of Israel 1948-2024/5 although it has already been clinically dead since it has put in place the "Green Pass" vaccine mandate in 2021.
It's curtains!
https://rumble.com/v3ofv1h-horrific-incitement-against-unvaccinated-israelis-by-their-own-media-and-po.html
Oh don't worry the US will ride to the shitty little theocracy's rescue, as always.
Is there any other country in the Middle East that has multiple religions represented in its government and media?
There are several other countries in the Middle East with multiple religions represented in government and media, and all the others do not even have apartheid laws and are not states guilty of the crime of apartheid, either (per the legal definition provided in the Rome Statute of 2002, as apartheid is not an opinion, but a crime clearly defined like murder).
E.g. Iran: https://starkrealities.substack.com/p/irans-jewish-population-belies-claims
Don’t talk about Iran like that.
Please watch and hear the 4/12/2024 speech that Yanis Varoufakis would have given In Berlin yesterday if the police had not came in and busted the event 1930's style. One big point he made (for me) is that revenge is not victory. What will the Palestinians do, if/when the Israeli military fails, the Israeli population that is 95% in support of the governments policies. Will a Palestinian "victory" become what the Israeli's have done to them? https://youtu.be/9JXXBhruGhc?si=wfwrCrVVDsXrxLwo
Yeah, killing children will really wear you out
The Palestinians seem to hold up well.
The ones living on the Arabian peninsula with direct access to Iranian funds are doing ok. The ones who fled to Rafah, but are now fleeing Rafah, not so much.
"While Israel struggles to make any achievement in Gaza beyond committing genocide"
Ha! Zero punches pulled x)
Any and all warfare that turns into a war of attrition has a far greater potential to defeat the aggressor who started the war. The era of 100 years of war ended a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away from here!
So many declarations of imminent Arab victory over Israel, and yet 75 years later ….
Do you really think they’ll last another 75 years?? Being a perpetual warring nation just makes you more enemies.. that suggests low viability. It will crumble inevitably.
Yes. I believe that one day the Islamists will give up their fantasy of a worldwide caliphate free of Jews and Christians. Just like the Germans gave up their dreams of a thousand year Reich, and the Southern States gave up their dream that it was OK to own slaves.
It is up to each of us to not support the Islamists implicitly and explicitly so that day comes sooner and with less bloodshed.
So why are we talking about the Islamists and their caliphate again?? You realise this isn’t a post about ISIS.. rather it’s about the Palestinians whose land has been occupied by Europeans.. very much a secular worldly affair, nothing to do with the spiritual realm or the edicts of the Quran.. but let’s switch topics just to humor you.. if your belief is that one day the Islamists will give up their caliphate dreams then you will agree that the Jews of Zion will give up their Yahweh promised land dreams (their version of the caliphate) and abandon the fantasy that the Israelites are a biblical people with certain border aspirations (& while they’re at it, remove that Star of David, a religious symbol, off their fucking flag and that smirk off their face for being a chosen people by some sadistic god ..). I seriously hope that you’re not confusing Hamas with the caliphate of ISIS.. because then you couldn’t be that stupid (or could you?!)
Islamists are Islamists. They have the same goal - the establishment of a worldwide caliphate free of Jews and Christians. To pretend otherwise is either ignorant or dishonest.
Wait right here. I will let my father, who was born in Jerusalem in 1932 and is the tenth generation born in the land of Israel/Palestine/Judea that he is a "white Europea" because [checks notes] Diana Lehman says so.
I will let him know that Diana Lehman informs that being Jewish means we have no indigenous homeland and so it is therefore OK, apparently, for her to support Hamas, an eliminationist death cult who intends to murder every jew (even as she pretends they do not so intend - wink, wink)
[Sorry @diana. Not sure about the next part -- Are you one of the "Jesus was a Palestinian " morons, or one of the "all the jews come from a secret underground lab 18 miles west of Warsaw Poland" morons.]
Anyway. I told him what you said. He said to tell you that you should learn facts before speaking such nonsense. He is polite that way.
Me, I would have just told you to get bent you stupid ignorant can't.
So, if you can’t defend your position with fact based logic, why not rely on gutter logic (hence, the ‘can’t’ comment)? That seems to be the way of the feeble-minded zionazis like yourself..
Your father was a Palestinian jew. Let me draw your attention to the fact that your father would have been neighbours with Muslim and Christian jews whose ancestry dates back generations so as well. There were also Iraqi jews, Moroccan jews, etc.. you get my drift. You call them mizrahi jews and they were a minority in Palestine. They would have spoken Arabic. The Jews that came to Palestine after Europe gassed and toasted them were European/ashkenazi jews and spoke not a word of the local native language of Palestine. These are indisputable facts.
Now, if you’re going to throw in the biblical chosen people argument well, then I’m going to declare I’m Super Woman on the spot as decreed by the fairy at the bottom of my garden.. point is anyone can anoint themselves masters of the universe and expect preferential treatment.. and many have tried and we hear about them in history books..
As for your gross misunderstanding of Islamism vis-a-vis Hamas (& you throw in the caliphate for good measure..) Hamas are not an expansionist movement that wants to spread Islam. ISIS is.. how you can confuse the two is mind boggling but that’s what brainwashing in the cult of Zion does to ya.. you are given zionazi kool aide to drink instead of your mother’s milk and then you’re off to fanaticism! Hamas is a resistance force against the Zionists who are bloodthirsty occupiers and land thieves. You lot didn’t treat the PLO which was a secular movement and had nothing to do with Islam any better.. so don’t spout BS that it’s a big bad Islamist plot.. really, such a boring and lazy argument that no one outside of zionistan believes.. even your ‘supporters’ have to be bought with money. The Christian nut cases who believe in end times and that jews will ultimately be slaughtered for them to win are a different category that you’ve gone to bed with (but you figure when it’s time for them to slaughter us en masse.. well, we’ll cross that bridge when we get to it..). So you have two groups of people that ‘believe’ in your cause: mercenaries that have to be bribed and nut cases who ultimately want to slaughter you lot and both tried to wipe you off the face of the earth at different points in time. Great bed fellows! What a dream team!
All you’ve proven, ymg, is that you are an ethno-supremacist douchebag that is merely following the Nazi way of doing things.. and who doesn’t understand basic facts. Incidentally, how does it feel to be reviled and rejected as a Zionist by most people of the world?? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have the Americans on your side and the Germans (you can count on them to be in on any genocidal action..) as well as some European countries but most people of the world (including jews) despise you lot. Is that why you’re frothing at the mouth? Do you really think you’ll last another 80 years?? And I don’t give a sh$* what Yahweh says..
If you spoke Hebrew. If you spoke Arabic. If your sum total of knowledge didn't come from tik tok, then you would know that all you have just written is incorrect and incomplete -- almost hilariously so.
My argument is simple. I am indigenous to this land. My family has literally been here for hundreds of years. You do not get to tell me where I can and cannot live. My life does not need or accept your grudging permission or blessing. You do not get to fit me into your little racial white guilt passion play where me and mine bear the burden of your ennui and (a)moral posturing, while you pay no price of your own. God save the Palestinians from friends like you. They suffer too from you.
I am for a two state solution - two states for two indigenous people. And yes, that includes all Jews. [Or is there a time limit when, let's say, all the native americans have to all leave the USA because they have lost all their indigenous rights? Tell me the number of years so I can let my Mohawk friends know the deadline.] I refuse to leave or die just to fit your perverted sense of justice or Hamas' Islamist religious imperative.
One day I hope Hamas gives up their fantasy that they can rid the world of jews. I hope one day you stop supporting Hamas (and lying to yourself and others to try to justify that support).
Until then, I and my family will be right here in the land of Israel like always. Am Yisrael Chai.
Oh!
Diana,
Indeed :
They could……
Reasonable people must make reasonable decisions that help as many people as possible and hurt as few people as possible, or spread the hurt around to do as little long term damage as possible. Reasonable people must reject fundamentalism of all varieties, religious, political, social, economic, any “ism” that justifies hoarding resources by one “group” at the expense of other “groups”, or dehumanizing some groups and glorifying others, because, as we see with fundamentalist religious persecution(Islamicist calls for “Kill all the Jews, and Christians, and Buddhists) or fundamentalist political persecution (Fascism or Communism in all it’s forms), or fundamentalist social persecution (the caste system in India), or fundamentalist economic persecution (slavery as it still exists) the dehumanization of some people for the benefit of some others, makes us all complicit and less human than we could be.
75 years later, it is a Jewish theocratic ethnostate on the verge of collapse. States take some time to come undone, and you speak only of your own shortsightedness and inability to think in the longer term. I suppose not everyone is cognitively capable of future-oriented thinking, however; thus the Israeli state's unravelling by way of strategic patience on the part of the Resistance Axis.
https://www.uncaptured.media/p/eight-months-into-the-gaza-war-a/comment/58489091
Hilarious, you say you oppose theocracy and support Hamas, an Islamist death cult. You say you oppose ethnostates -- how many jews in Hamastan [nice try, but hostages don't count]? You do know that Hamas' goal is a worldwide caliphate free of Jews and Christians - or are you so pig ignorant that you had no idea?
Tell me, why would you leave the Palestinians under the thumb of Hamas, when you would not live under Hamastan rules for a second? Good enough for brown people but not white girl Emma M, perhaps? Disgusting.
Free Palestine from Hamas.
Finally, spare me the freshman dormroom posturing and history lessons that are actually ahistorical. My family has been here in Israel/Palestine/Judea for over 10 generations. I know exactly what I am talking about. You on the other hand, are not from here and know nothing real.
You pretend to know history. If you did, you would know the Jewish people have survived far worse than you and your empty moral preening and utter ignorance. Prepare to be disappointed as Israel survives and prospers. Perhaps you can fill your empty life with a hobby that does not involve the death and displacement of 7 million jews and two million Muslims and Christians. Perhaps bowling.
If true, that’s great news for the Palestinians
Ultimately it is. There will indeed be a State of Palestine "from the river to the sea"...
It may be uninhabitable though if Israel invokes the Samson option as it is going down with invasions on two fronts...
Exactly the plan.
I am not sure what there is to celebrate.
The settlers should have left years ago.
Voluntarily.
I’m sure future generations will celebrate.
The toddler amputees of Israel’s war on Gaza – Hoor Nusseir
Hoor Nusseir has lost her parents, brothers and her hands in an Israeli bombing on Deir el-Balah.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/2/14/the-toddler-amputees-of-israels-war-on-gaza-hoor-nusseir
Or, they could put Netanyahu in jail where he belongs, elect a moderate Israeli government, with no criminals in control, demand a collaborative meeting with all factions of the Palestinian populace and develop a realistic plan for Palestinian self-determination where reasonable Palestinian governance results in the prosecution of terrorists who call for killing all Jews, and Israelis and Palestinians work together to rebuild their country. Couldn’t they? People have to stop letting outside money bully them into voting criminals and terrorists into positions of leadership. By definition criminals and terrorists are incapable of the competent, flexible decision making that results in good governance.
The ideology of Israel is criminal, thus its leadership has always been criminals of varying degrees, but criminals nonetheless. When only 2% of the population thinks Israel has gone too far in Gaza, then the logical conclusion one can reach is its citizens will not elect a moderate government.
Hmm. My impression is far more than 2% think Netanyahu has gone too far. But your basic premise is not one I have seen. What ideology of Israel is criminal? I agree that the land grabbing of those hard right entitled settler groups is criminal, but most Israelis don’t agree with that. But Israel is a more pluralistic society than that To what do you refer?
The other more prevalent aspect is the fact that Palestinians are not considered human, let alone equals, in Zionist ideology.
But how many Israelis are those hardline Zionists? Seems sorta like saying Americans are Christian Nationalists because a few loudly are, and some more go along with that ideology, but not the whole country is, you know? The Israelis I know, think the Palestinians are treated horribly, but are too busy with their own lives and problems, to be really politically active about it. Which is always a problem in democracies-people can’t be bothered to oppose highly engaged fringe elements until the fringe element starts causing trouble for everyone.
by most recent analyses I've seen, most of them. I've been listening to the few Israeli leftist analysts and historians and they seem to universally agree that the Israeli idea of 'moderate' is not the same as ours. Their idea of 'moderate' is Israelis maintain all the privileges they have, Palestinians stay in their little jail, but they get treated a little nicer and maybe fewer kids die each year of sniper bullets to the head. That's the 'moderate Israeli'. They largely accept the fact that Palestinians lead a sad existence but are quick to juxtapose that realization with the 'But sadly, their leadership is violent and so there is objectively no other way for them to live because we have to make sure we are safe from them'. And that's the end of the debate. The situation is lamentable but inevitable, and after all, one's own safety must come first. These people have never, and will never, elect anyone who would fight for actual equality. Sadly.
Huh. You are not talking to the same people I am talking to.
Entirely false. Moron.
Firstly, your statement that Zionists do not consider Palestinians human is slanderous hyperbole and ironically dehumanizing.
Secondly, what are Jews considered by 1 billion Muslims globally?
"Human animals," then. Are we not to take Zionists at their word?
https://youtu.be/e-XtLKMu0wI?si=aa4_kYs6JAgCWGqX
When did stating facts become slanderous? Have you been living under a rock the last 8 months? The Zionist dehumanization of Palestinians is clear as day for anyone who has eyes. You can deny it till the cows come home, but it won’t change what we have witnessed with our own eyes.
Your second question is so absurd, it exposes your indoctrination. If you’re not familiar with Avi Shlaim, kindly look him up. Jews live in peace all across the muslim world. In fact historically Jews were saved by Muslim Moors in Spain. And the unsuspecting Muslims of Palestine gave safe haven to Jews who escaped European antisemitism. Little did they know it was actually Zionists who were infiltrating. It’s Zionists who are despised, for their ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. To be clear, Zionists are not Jews. Zionists have hijacked Judaism - not my words - I’m citing Jewish Rabbi’s. Zionism is white supremacy. Just ask the Arab Jews in Israel - even they are second class citizens in the “only democracy in the Middle East”.
I refer to a poll conducted by Tel Aviv University; it was in Dec/Jan. I understand a lot worse has happened since but 2% even back then reflects very poorly on Israelis.
Big boi Dr. Who just wants to block people. Real stand up guy.
Or maybe they know better than you, being from there and all. You are an arrogant ignorant asshole.
As opposed to Gaza, which is governed by the terrorist group Hamas, who serves at the beck and call of the fascist Iranian theocrats. You Antifa-bois as sad.
That would require them growing a conscience. Let’s not dabble in fantasy.. it’s Ted Bundys all the way down in IzraHell..
A government without criminals in control? That will only happen when Christ returns to rule the world. If there is one thing we should have all learned by now is that ALL human beings (including me) have a sinful (Selfish) nature and the MOST SELFISH among us, the LOVERS OF MONEY, run the world's governments. As long as we are under the current electoral system in which the very rich donors (who are obviously lovers of money) decide who is going to be elected, our politicians will also who be lovers of money and therefore criminals who will serve their masters and not the people.. I certainly AM NOT saying humanity is not redeemable, otherwise Christ's sacrifice was for nothing. Yes there a few people whose relationship with Christ is so close that they are truly a blessing to those they come into contact with. And I don't claim to be one of them, but I do know that is where I need to be.
Please expand your view. Say that from a Hindu point of view. Or Buddhist. Now distill it down to the human point of view without the parochial mono-theistic limitations on who you are talking about, and for. That’s the whole point of democracy, isn’t it? Elect honest people who have the welfare of everyone at heart? Don’t elect criminals? If we notice someone is a criminal, un-elect them and choose someone better. Most people are mostly good, and occasionally do something bad. This “all sinners, all the time” schtick obscures Christ’s message of love and lets bad people justify their behavior by pretending “everyone does it”. If you identify as a sinner, I suggest therapy.
I sure hope you're right
We can only hope so.
The lack of confidence in a military career will include fear as a reason, but it's my hope that a second is because some no longer believer they're killing for morality.
Please watch and hear the 4/12/2024 speech that Yanis Varoufakis would have given In Berlin yesterday if the police had not came in and busted the event 1930's style. One big point he made for me is that revenge is not victory. What will the Palestinians do, if/when the Israeli military fails, to the Israeli population that is 95% in support of the governments policies. Will a Palestian "victory" become what the Israeli's have done to them? https://youtu.be/9JXXBhruGhc?si=wfwrCrVVDsXrxLwo
Is it possible that while there are certainly psychotic IDF, there also may be men and women who see what they are doing as wrong and are just sickened by it?
If I were Iran I would just sit back and wait (like China is doing with Russia), then take ground when the opponent is exhausted. US has made such an unbelievable blunder supporting Netanyahu.
I always knew that deranged Leftists would have no problem supporting the Fascist Religious Theocrats when push came to shove.
Who said I was supporting? I am making a supposition about a global event. I most certainly do not support Iran or China (or Russia)!
One can state a likely scenario without backing it
You stated that Iran is just sitting back as an outside observer to Hamas, forgetting that 90% of the funding, weapons and training to Hamas and Hezbollah comes from Iran. The IRGC is actively involved to coordinating their proxy group. So yes, eliminating Hamas directly impacts Iran’s ability to fight Israel. Can you condemn Iran as a fascist terrorist supporting country.
Apologies for my lack of clarity. It is very clear that Iran is a crisis agent, and that they are seeking regional advantage both through proxy fighting and likely more direct action in the future should Israel be weakened per this article.
My primary point was the Israel bit way too hard on the trap this time. Hamas knew that they were losing the long game, as the settlers were going to continue to eat territory and displace them, and the Palestinians had no world standing. They also knew that Netanyahu was deeply compromised and would almost certainly wildly overreact to a provocation, both because it was in his nature and because he knows that his criminal past gets erased if he is seen as the unifier of Israeli territory.
What he did not calculate (hubris) is that the wildly cruel overreaction would shift world opinion away from Israel, and that he might not get away with it. I think Hamas made a bet on this.
Either he is going to successfully eliminate the Palestinian people through murder and displacement (and potentially the Lebanese) or Israel is going to be in a world of hurt. They never really had any options for maintaining a theocracy that weren't effectively death.
I also believe that Hamas knew that they would have media and UN sympathy once they decided to hide behind civilians, and detain hostages in the residence of an Al-Jazeera journalist. UNRWA was conducting terrorist activities from their headquarters in Gaza. Hamas took 250 hostages on Oct 7, and Israel has every right to rescue them. The question is - why has the coward Biden refused to do anything to secure the release of the 5 American hostages?
“Depleted Israeli military”
Sure we killed 40,000 people but we have hundreds of thousands more Palestinians to slaughter.
Genocide?
What genocide? 😀